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TR7th Heaven
February 12, 2012, 3:16pm Report to Moderator


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Having just spent a small fortune on a recon gearbox for my Vitesse I want to protect my investment.
Mike Papworth reconditioned the box and recommended standard EP80w90 mineral oil. I asked him if there was any advantage in using synthetic but he said no. In his opinion synthetic is too thin (it's viscosity does seem to be rated slightly differently at EP75w90).
However, Canley Classics 'hints and tips' page recommends synthetic oil in gearboxes.
What do you guys think?
Is anyone using synthetic in their gearbox?
If so, how is it?
I know it's expensive but it isn't changed often so might be worth it?
Thanks in advance,
Rich  


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Mark Hammond
February 12, 2012, 3:33pm Report to Moderator

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If Mike Papworth has recommended using mineral oil in the gearbox then I would heed his advice.  He is the leading authority on transmissions.  

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I have wondered about this. I have a type 9, and like triumph boxes requires a GL4 spec oil. However it needs 75/90 (the earlier recommendation was ep80 I believe)so I suspect they specified a "better" oil when it became available

I just bought 2 litres of comma 75/90 GL4 (recommendd by BGH, a respected gearbox builder) for my type 9. Cheapest supplier was Amazon.

Don't be tempted by GL5 spec stuff.

If it would be good in a triumph? no idea, I would use a good 80/90 GL4. Not expensive either.


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TR7th Heaven
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Yes Mark, you're quite right. I should use the oil specified by the guy who rebuilt it to protect my warranty, even if there are better options available that he might not be aware of.
My recon box is as good as I'm going to get using the parts that are available. Mike Papworth has used NOS 2nd and 3rd gears and new or good secondhand components so the box is much, much quieter than before. However, it's not silent, which to me suggests that some components have some wear. It's this wear I want to minimise and I'm asking whether synthetic oils will do that better than traditional mineral oils.
Thanks all for your input.
Please feel free to continue.
Rich  


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Mark Hammond
February 13, 2012, 9:14pm Report to Moderator

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I think synthetic oil is unlikely to make your gearbox quieter.  Please remember that these gearboxes were far from silent when new and were troublesome on the new cars, often giving rise to warranty claims.  Thinner synthetic oil is likely to make the 'box noisier and run hotter thus promoting wear.  I think it highly unlikely that there are oils on the market that Mike isn't aware of.  Sorry to disillusion you, but I doubt that you'll ever find a silent Vitesse gearbox, I wish you well in your quest for the Holy Grail!



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I would stick to what Mike suggests.

I would also recommend you change your gear oil every 12 months if you use the car a lot, frequent oil changes are cheaper than gearbox rebuilds  

Some may say that is overkill but every little helps.


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TR7th Heaven
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Yes, I think you're probably right fellas.
I've put Comma EP80w90 GL4 in it (which is what I always used in my Spitfires).
It seems to be a pretty good oil so I'll stick with that.
I'll do 150 - 200 miles then drain and re-fill with fresh oil.

Mark, I think you're right. I read a reproduced magazine article from the early 70s recently (It may have been in Club Torque) about buying a secondhand Vitesse only a couple of years old with very few miles on it and the reviewer complained about gearbox noise in second and third gear! So they must have started wearing straight out of the factory. Incredible!

tiggrr1, sound advice. It's such a small capacity changing it every year will cost less than a tenner, so I'll do that.

Thanks again,

Rich  




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Scimher
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If it's not an overdrive box..... a dose of 'molyslip' should make it a bit quieter..(but what that would do in the event of any warranty work, I don't know!)
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With a recon box is it necessary to change the oil after a few hundred miles? I only ask because I've just put one in, and have done about 600 miles on the same oil I put in to start with.

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"a dose of 'molyslip' should make it a bit quieter."

May interfere with grip of synchro cones so could make things noisier.
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Quoted from timraven
With a recon box is it necessary to change the oil after a few hundred miles? I only ask because I've just put one in, and have done about 600 miles on the same oil I put in to start with.

Cheers
Tim


Tim, swarf from the bedding in of baulk rings (synchros), bearings etc and vaseline/grease from initial rebuild of rollers etc will be present on a new box...swill it out with a few 100 miles usage then refill with new oil. Your gearbox IS due an oil change..!

Comma GL4 spec oil, no additives, regular 12mth oil change......low cost and all you need..


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TR7th Heaven
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It's an overdrive box so can't add Molyslip or Slick 50.
The reconditioner said I could change the oil after a couple of hundred miles but it wasn't essential!
Cheers,
Rich  


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Nick Jones
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I use Redline MTL90  (from Opie Oils).

Nick


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